"The stadium was crumbling - I went in and out four times through holes in the wall. Fittingly the events of April 15 1989 have been taken to the heart of the club's identity as much as any of the on-field triumphs of the 70s and 80s. I found this article very informative and brilliantly written, as well as the comments (apart from that last one)! Are Sun Journalists Still Banned From Anfield? by Bezzymate - 17th Jan 2011 9:37pm. Lou Brookes, whose brother Andrew died at Hillsborough, the 1989 tragedy which took 97 lives, said the treatment of Liverpool fans on Saturday brought back everything from the disaster. Actually, they might have a point, even if they raise it out of malice rather than consideration for the bereaved. WebThe actions of the minority of Liverpool supporters who charged the Z zone contingent at Heysel was inexcusable, however Juventus fans cannot be excused from blame. On January 5, they were on the M61 when their car broke down and caught fire near junction four at Farnworth, Bolton. This both the sanction and, it could be argued, the widespread loss of life had been coming. I do recall a massive banner with Reds animals written on it though. The same cannot be said of the other tragedy in Liverpool's recent history, however; bridges may have been built between the boardrooms at Liverpool and Juventus, but you have to search harder to find a public reference to Heysel at Anfield. Its an event that ties both clubs and will do for a long time to come. Investigators said it is unusual for hotels to accept cash payments and appealed to staff at hotels or hostels where the couple may stay to come forward. The family were seen in the city earlier this month, but Miss Marten is believed to have been captured on CCTV after abandoning the car, which had been purchased six days before they went missing. Police believe they could be anywhere in the UK and are appealing to the public to come forward with any information that may help find them. White House, Childer Thornton. "I had never seen such a shambles as Heysel," he says. What about justice for Heysel?, they plead. Detective Superintendent Lewis Basford, who is leading the investigation, said:'Constance and Mark, I appeal directly to you, please think of your baby's health and wellbeing and get in touch with us so we can ensure your child is medically well and has no underlying issues. Justice Popplewell described that days carnage as more like the Battle of Agincourt than a football match at the Popplewell Committee investigation in to football. "There were a lot of mitigating circumstances, but we are sorry, and I hope the games are remembered for the football and the respect shown to those that lost their lives. Liverpool are a great club, but their fans have always been a disgrace, we see it time and time again, they have no respect for any other club or its supporters and as we have all just seen after their first Premier league win in 30 years, nothing changes in the violence and destruction which was apparent in and around the City centre. Investigators say the couple appear to know how to evade authorities as CCTV footage shows them covering their faces or looking away making the search for them harder. I then read that any trophy parade is planned for . The publication and belated national acceptance of the real truth about Hillsborough has been a source of great vindication for all who were affected by that tragedy. In a sense he expects nothing less. It might even seem a bit false.". A memorial and a greater openness about the disaster is needed. How many Liverpool fans died at Hillsborough disaster? The police said exactly the same then, she said. The attitude of many of our fans towards Heysel has always troubled me somewhat. And what good would it do ? After leaving the Vatican we went for a pint in a nearby bar, there appeared to be good banter with some Roma fans but then armed Police arrived and started pointing guns towards Liverpool fans, me and my mate gave it toes and hid in the bog inside the bar. To do this we will link your MailOnline account with your Facebook account. It is in a place where there is a continuous recording of singing and shouting at the Juve success and is in such a place that most folk just go straight by it. As you are a Chelsea fan, to say Liverpool bought their success, I think its case of the pot calling the kettle when Chelsea have been bankrolled by the Russians for a number of years. He made fundamental errors, Pierre Verlynde, the judge, said. And while the rejection of the olive branch met with a little consternation on Merseyside, Liverpools supporters know all too well about the type of apology that comes too late, brought by events, to sound truly sincere. Heysel is an unspeakably awkward subject for Liverpool perhaps more, perhaps less, for the anguish the club and the city endured four years later at Hillsborough. The experience is very different. You are as likely to come across debates about how the Juve team celebrated and how the club has done little to commemorate Heysel than you are about the evil of English fans. So let us talk about it. As a Chelsea season ticket holder for many years, I witnessed the Heysel disaster unfold in front of me on television. The darkest hour in the history of the UEFA competitions. Fans blamed the police, or the ground, or said the slaughter was in retaliation for attacks by supporters of Roma after Liverpool had won the previous years cup in Rome. It was tragic really, because the people who died were not the ones doing the spitting, but the innocent people at the back. The latest in the sports world, emailed daily. America wants answers, not your infuriatingly smug denial of a national scandal, Did the Hunter investigation turn Biden's lawyers into a 'cleaning crew?' Twenty-five English football fans involved in the Heysel stadium disaster have been extradited to Belgium. Liverpool is one of English soccers oldest teams, and over the years they have accumulated a number of rivalries. I too recall seeing that Reds Animals banner, and also seeing fans, apparently of both sides, hanging off the fencing at the front of the terraces, trying to pull it down. Did Liverpool fans cause trouble in Paris? To suggest Liverpool bought the title in the 70s and 80s is utter rubbish. I was a bit older, and it's when it happens to your own that you realise what the Italians had gone through. It is undeniable. Liverpool immediately withdrew, in disgrace, from the next seasons Uefa Cup. How many Liverpool fans went to Istanbul? An excellent, thoughtful and honest piece of writing. This is no excuse for what happened that night but it does explain why a clubs fans with 21 years of spotless fans behaviour suddenly changed that night. By the time the stadium filled, it became apparent that Liverpool and Juventus supporters in sections Y and Z were standing yards apart and the idea of the buffer had gone spectacularly wrong. Despite this, they continued to win trophies and dominate English football until their last league title in 1990, after which a combination of poor management and outdated boardroom policies reduced Liverpools ability to compete with emerging clubs. Coast built date. In The Truths of Heysel a book written by Andrea Lorentini, whose father Roberto died in Brussels and whose grandfather Otello has led the campaign for the victims to be officially recognised by the club writes of the bewilderment, reticence, guilty silences and suspicion the bereaved have faced in their dealings with Juventus. Riot police fired tear gas and pepper spray at Liverpool supporters forced to endure long waits to get into the Champions League final amid logistical chaos on Saturday. Some of the visiting Juventus fans applauded. The couple then walked to Anchor Lane Bridge, where they got a taxi to Liverpool before getting another to Harwich, Essex. No amount of context ever could. The fact is and still is, that the then Liverpool FC board blamed my club, along with West Ham and Millwall for the disaster at Heysel and to this day they have never issued an apology of any sort whatsoever. These tickets were sold to Italian immigrants and Belgians, who were separated from their rivals by a chicken-wire fence and a line of reluctant, inexperienced police. Why do Liverpool fans boo the national anthem? Next to it is Kenny Dalglish's shirt from that night, a match programme, and the Juventus pennant Michel Platini handed to Phil Neal before the 1985 European Cup final eventually kicked off yards from where paramedics were counting the dead. Among these clubs were Liverpool, Everton, Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Nottingham Forest, Tottenham Hotspur, Norwich City, and Leeds United. 39 people lost their lives and 600 more were injured. I find his negligence extraordinary.. Heysel was the disgraceful culmination of more than a decade of ugly incidents involving English supporters on their European travels: Tottenham Hotspur in Rotterdam in 1974 and 1983, Leeds United in Paris in 1975, Manchester United in St Etienne in 1977, the national team in Basle in 1981 and so on until the spiral of moronic violence reached its tragic conclusion logical in one sense, crazy in all others in Brussels. Maybe we could be doing more to cement those ties, rather than it being an event that divides us. I hope it has the necessary impact on mainstream media. Much kudos to you fair and balanced I wish more Liverpool fans would read it and not use the clubs sanitized version, believe the seeds for this disaster were sown the previous year. But it is not honoured. WebI'm not sure what any of this has to do with Hillsborough. That hundreds of Liverpool fans sent death threats and demanded tour cancellations from Alan Davies when he mentioned the aforementioned issue. A few years ago I read a blog by a LFC fan who was present, and described with searing honesty the attitude among a section of fans (himself included), looking for revenge for the previous year, or just for a good fight. ", "If we had been two gangs in a nightclub, and one started a fight and the other chased them and the stairs collapsed, people would blame the greedy nightclub owner for not having a safe venue. Their biggest beef lies with regional foe Manchester United, though they also have long standing rivalries with Premier League mates Everton, Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspur, Manchester City, and Arsenal. 29th May. Today a Belgian newspaper said the men had let down their club, their city and their country in an article with the headline: "Welcome in Belgium red Animals". Argentinos Junior were beaten on penalties and Juve were the world champions.. Then of course you have the fact that many rival supporters of other Italian clubs still use it as a cheap way to have a dig at them (by waving LFC scarves and banners, singing offensive songs etc), which will be something LFC fans can all relate to. What should have been the greatest day in many fans and players lives became the biggest tragedy in European competition. In 1989, after a five-month trial in Brussels, 14 of the 26 Liverpool supporters who stood trial were found guilty of involuntary manslaughter and given a three-year prison sentence, suspended for 18 months, and each ended up serving about a year in total in behind bars. Mark Gordon, 48, and partner Constance Marten, 35, have been at the centre of a nationwide police hunt for two weeks as fears have grown for the welfare of Miss Marten's newborn baby. But you never hear of this because the tragedy is taboo. In the interview the now missing mother described her love of the Swiss Alps and her trips volunteering in Nepal. Do you want to automatically post your MailOnline comments to your Facebook Timeline? How Many Submarines Does Uk Have Underwater? It does not convey what happened on the ground at Heysel. Debate over the details continues. But Essex Police said the trio took a taxi from Harwich to East Ham station in Newham later that day. My brother-in-law is a loyal Liverpool fan who was at Heysel and even he admits that the charge by the Liverpool fans was as a direct result of the appalling treatment him and others received in Rome. Everton themselves managed to attract Gary Linekar from Leicester City in the close season of 1985, after the European ban was placed. The assistance youve provided so far has been invaluable. Now 43, he spent his youth following Liverpool's great European adventure largely for free, thanks to his skilful evasion of the authorities. 'Please do this for your child. Its written all over our messageboards, our websites, our newspapers, and at certain times of year, our Kop. Hai ragione a dire che quella tragica serata erano tutti da biasimare. By the time the game eventually kicked-off, Juventus fans were still fighting a battle against police using bottles, broken stones, and missiles. Those bereaved and outraged by Hillsborough have fought to keep their campaign for justice alive and been entirely vindicated for doing so. Dopo quellassurdo evento le istituzioni inglesi hanno messo le cose a posto negli stadi, mentre da noi in Italia Their trial is expected to start in the new year - if convicted they face a Where Is The Liverpool Fan Zone In Paris? They were all innocent. By this stage, English supporters were regarded across Europe as such animals that shock was expressed at how the authorities had played into their hands. The 1985 European Cup Final featured Liverpool the champions of England and European Cup holdersand Juventus the champions of Italy and holders of the UEFA Cup Winners Juventus, for what it was worth, went on to win the game 1-0 after officials acted to continue the game to avoid further incitement to the crowd. Police released this picture of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon outside East Ham station at around 11.45am on Saturday January 7. Thirty-nine peoplemostly Italians and Juventus fanswere killed and 600 were injured in the confrontation. There can never be justice for 39 lives lost at a football match, but it is in Turin , not on Merseyside, that the cries of the bereaved have met with silence down the years. It had been labelled a dump by Arsenal fans following a European match a few years earlier, and Liverpool CEO Peter Robinson, so worried about crowd safety, asked UEFA to choose another venue. Ultimately 14 of these 27 people were convicted. 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